My introduction to Multiculturalism came when I was in college during the mid 70's, in my Political Science class. I'd never heard of the concept before then but my reaction when it was presented to the class was one of, this will never work. I had grown up in the inner city of Chicago but had attended junior high and high school in the Christian school system of the Dutch Reformed community. Even then as a child I could see how different life was for my fellow Dutch students as compared to my life in the inner city ghetto.
The differences were a matter of culture. Fights weren't prevalent within the Dutch school system or the community outside of school. This was in stark contrast to the daily violence that I endured away from the Dutch community. I can recall times when out mother picked us up from out bus stop to drive us home and how we could see the Black students who attended the public school in our neighborhood fighting on the playground after school. There was also all of the broken windows of the public school whereas none of the windows at our Dutch Christian school were broken unless it was by accident. The Black students felt free to physically destroy their school building so the school windows were broken on a regular basis until metal screens were placed over them. And this made the school look like a prison but it was necessary to do.
So when I heard about multiculturalism in college I'd already had my own experience with multiculturalism in Chicago and I knew that not all cultures are the same. I commented to my professor that this would never work and that was when he brought up Canada.
I now live in Canada and I don't see multiculturalism working at all. What I see is that rather than us native Westerners changing the immigrants is that the immigrants are changing us and this happening all over the West. I can honestly see why Putin doesn't want Western liberal ideals to take root in Russia Federation.
What makes me very angry is that this experiment in shaping the West into being a mosaic is now being acknowledged, by its promoters, as being a failure but it does me no good because it can't be undone. What infuriates me even more is that they will not suffer one day in jail or a fine, for the damage they have done to a society that was better than it is now.
We now have to live with people who are hostile to us and some of whom would hunt us down if they could. And one day after their numbers increase even more, they just may do that.
You are very right, Julian. War and genocide in East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, in 1971 forced many into refugee camps or flee abroad if possible. I belong to that many who found my way when sponsored by an aunt to find refuge in Canada 50 years ago this coming spring. So we are of the same generation. I left behind the mess that the third world was 50 years ago, and that mess has followed me thanks to our leaders in the collective West even as they have turned their countries to slide downward into what was once third world, and those places are rapidly advancing into becoming middle income countries, take China for instance or the ASEAN community. Multiculturalism was and remains a Marxian hoax perpetrated upon the collective West by their intellectually compromised leaders and the Globalist oligarch in pursuit of the one world agenda and rule based order, neither of which could be advanced if North America remained determined to protect the virus of Marxism from entering the political bloodstream of Canada and then the U.S.
Thank you, Professor Mansur for taking the time to read my comment on your article and then for writing your comment on what I said and providing your insights and some personal information from your own life that would help to inform your input.
I found your comment interesting but there was one segment in particular that I found relevant and that was when you wrote that the things which you left when you left Pakistan have followed you here. I feel the same way and I know there are areas of the U.S. where they are feeling it in a very personal way today.
The Democrats have been trying to push legislation through that would take away from suburbs the right to establish their own zoning laws. The Democrats want to do this because they believe that the suburbs are places of White privilege that keep poor minorities out. What the Democrats want to do is to place zoning in federal hands and make it possible to have more housing for Section 8 people in the suburbs.
I may not live in the States anymore but I sympathize with the people of the Suburbs, and not all of them are White. There are some fairly well off Black suburbs too who also oppose losing the right to write their own zoning laws.
What they all fear is that the very people they worked hard to earn the money to move away from will follow them to their sanctuary. I've had that same fear in Canada because I have learned about the inequity of the rights Natives have to live on or off the Reserve. Whereas non-Natives cannot live on Reserves. The Reserve foots the bill for them to live off the Reserve. In other our tax dollars enable them to make our lives miserable.
My problem has been that the Natives on the reserve near me have been moving into town in increasing numbers because the Reserve is unsafe. I had a Native acquaintance of mine tell me that it isn't safe for an elderly woman such as herself to live on the Reserve alone and so her son has to live with her.
Well I've been on the Reserve many times because I worked as a substitute teacher in their schools. My first impression when I drove onto the Reserve was that this looks just like Chicago, where I came from. They even call the town site the, Ghetto. Well the Reserve is filled with gangs and gang violence. Fatherless children, children having children and poor school attendance. Many people have moved off the Reserve in order to escape these social issues but what I see is that living off the Reserve doesn't change their behavior.
Crime in my little town has increased over the years as more people from the Reserve have moved in. The local public school had to start a breakfast program, which didn't exist until the attendance of Native children increased substantially. My garage has been vandalized, neighbors have had things stolen from their yards, vehicles have been taken and driven onto the Reserve etc.
I'm so saddened to find myself right back in the same place that I thought I left. My town was once a good town. It was a safe town. We've even had a couple of murders, which was unheard of before.
I have a son who moved from Calgary to a city North of Edmonton. When he was looking for houses I said to him, make sure you get in a good neighborhood. His response was: dad, there are no ghettos in this town. I was stunned as to how differently he and I think when it comes to judging a potential place to live. Getting away from the ghetto was always my highest goal in life whereas he doesn't think that way.
I understand how many Muslims feel about the radical Muslims who've been allowed into the West. I've read their stories and I've read of how disappointed they are to find themselves right back in the same mess. You and I probably know one of them, Imam who goes by the name, One Godless Woman. She told of seeing her rapist during the time of her residency and how he sexually molested her again here in Canada and how no one would listen to her complaint. The poor woman's life is now ruined.
Yeah, I'm quite aware of the racist / nazi Liberals and NDPers, also. The woke brigade are a problem, but I'm more concerned about the terrorist funders and agitators. There aren't many members of Babbar Khalsa who don't wear turbans, or members of Hamas who don't wear the hijab or some such. Without these in Canada to stir up trouble, the woke would have to look for different fights.
I think 'multiculturalism' is too broad a term for the problem. I have no problem with people coming to Canada and retaining their own religion, language, dress, cuisine, etc. - even living in enclaves of like-minded immigrants. The problem isn't multiculturalism in these respects; it is the rejection of fundamental Canadian / western values like free speech, non-violence, and non-discrimination. The government needs to screen immigrants more carefully, not along cultural lines but along the lines of fundamental values.
I could be wrong. Maybe Justin is right that poetry readings are all that is required to tame the savage heart.
I don't honestly believe that it is correct to blame immigrants for the rejection of western values. The perpetually offended tend to have white skin and speak perfect English.
The perpetually offended and the immigrants are working together to bring down Western society. That was the real goal of mass immigration all along. When people were arguing that immigration was needed in order to make the country, less White, what did you think they had planned?
Making the country less White was never a sound immigration policy and when they were queried about what they mean by less White, they wouldn't just answer the question. They would respond by attacking you for asking it. That is when all the name calling and vitriol would start spewing out of the moths.
Skewing the immigration demographics towards, non-Whites, was deliberate and was a case of clear social engineering. This drive to engage in social engineering has trickled down to staffing in our schools and post secondary institutions, hiring practices, military recruitment etc.
Open immigration and multiculturalism have always been about demographic replacement with the ultimate goal being stuffing the ballot box with a constituency that will vote for the party(ies) that let them in and gave them government benefits that the native population didn't qualify for.
Unfortunately, I am late to political theory, have studied engineering in the 1980s. My parents came from post WW2 Europe in the 1950s. I grew up in Montreal and saw the gradual growth of "diverse" immigrants from many parts of the world, most of whom seemed of decent character and work ethic.
Where we do seem to have gone off the rails is with the sexual revolution. For two generations now (since 1972), Canadian fertility has been below "replacement". The same can be said of every other developed (white) country. That has forced our hand to accept immigration as the only way to grow or maintain the economy.
The resulting issue becomes where will white people immigrate from if the population of all "white countries" is in decline?
I don't just blame immigrants. I also blame those with white skin who have bought into Socialism and the White guilt that is being peddled within Western society.
I do acknowledge that there is a hunger amongst our political and business elite specifically for immigrants who have no Western cultural heritage. And in this case I'm speaking specifically of Muslims. Islam is a political ideology and not a religious one. Islam makes no distinction between politics and religion. The mosques is and extension of the state and the state is an extension of the mosque. The two institutions which are separated in the Western mind are unified in the Muslim mind.
My introduction to Multiculturalism came when I was in college during the mid 70's, in my Political Science class. I'd never heard of the concept before then but my reaction when it was presented to the class was one of, this will never work. I had grown up in the inner city of Chicago but had attended junior high and high school in the Christian school system of the Dutch Reformed community. Even then as a child I could see how different life was for my fellow Dutch students as compared to my life in the inner city ghetto.
The differences were a matter of culture. Fights weren't prevalent within the Dutch school system or the community outside of school. This was in stark contrast to the daily violence that I endured away from the Dutch community. I can recall times when out mother picked us up from out bus stop to drive us home and how we could see the Black students who attended the public school in our neighborhood fighting on the playground after school. There was also all of the broken windows of the public school whereas none of the windows at our Dutch Christian school were broken unless it was by accident. The Black students felt free to physically destroy their school building so the school windows were broken on a regular basis until metal screens were placed over them. And this made the school look like a prison but it was necessary to do.
So when I heard about multiculturalism in college I'd already had my own experience with multiculturalism in Chicago and I knew that not all cultures are the same. I commented to my professor that this would never work and that was when he brought up Canada.
I now live in Canada and I don't see multiculturalism working at all. What I see is that rather than us native Westerners changing the immigrants is that the immigrants are changing us and this happening all over the West. I can honestly see why Putin doesn't want Western liberal ideals to take root in Russia Federation.
What makes me very angry is that this experiment in shaping the West into being a mosaic is now being acknowledged, by its promoters, as being a failure but it does me no good because it can't be undone. What infuriates me even more is that they will not suffer one day in jail or a fine, for the damage they have done to a society that was better than it is now.
We now have to live with people who are hostile to us and some of whom would hunt us down if they could. And one day after their numbers increase even more, they just may do that.
You are very right, Julian. War and genocide in East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, in 1971 forced many into refugee camps or flee abroad if possible. I belong to that many who found my way when sponsored by an aunt to find refuge in Canada 50 years ago this coming spring. So we are of the same generation. I left behind the mess that the third world was 50 years ago, and that mess has followed me thanks to our leaders in the collective West even as they have turned their countries to slide downward into what was once third world, and those places are rapidly advancing into becoming middle income countries, take China for instance or the ASEAN community. Multiculturalism was and remains a Marxian hoax perpetrated upon the collective West by their intellectually compromised leaders and the Globalist oligarch in pursuit of the one world agenda and rule based order, neither of which could be advanced if North America remained determined to protect the virus of Marxism from entering the political bloodstream of Canada and then the U.S.
Thank you, Professor Mansur for taking the time to read my comment on your article and then for writing your comment on what I said and providing your insights and some personal information from your own life that would help to inform your input.
I found your comment interesting but there was one segment in particular that I found relevant and that was when you wrote that the things which you left when you left Pakistan have followed you here. I feel the same way and I know there are areas of the U.S. where they are feeling it in a very personal way today.
The Democrats have been trying to push legislation through that would take away from suburbs the right to establish their own zoning laws. The Democrats want to do this because they believe that the suburbs are places of White privilege that keep poor minorities out. What the Democrats want to do is to place zoning in federal hands and make it possible to have more housing for Section 8 people in the suburbs.
I may not live in the States anymore but I sympathize with the people of the Suburbs, and not all of them are White. There are some fairly well off Black suburbs too who also oppose losing the right to write their own zoning laws.
What they all fear is that the very people they worked hard to earn the money to move away from will follow them to their sanctuary. I've had that same fear in Canada because I have learned about the inequity of the rights Natives have to live on or off the Reserve. Whereas non-Natives cannot live on Reserves. The Reserve foots the bill for them to live off the Reserve. In other our tax dollars enable them to make our lives miserable.
My problem has been that the Natives on the reserve near me have been moving into town in increasing numbers because the Reserve is unsafe. I had a Native acquaintance of mine tell me that it isn't safe for an elderly woman such as herself to live on the Reserve alone and so her son has to live with her.
Well I've been on the Reserve many times because I worked as a substitute teacher in their schools. My first impression when I drove onto the Reserve was that this looks just like Chicago, where I came from. They even call the town site the, Ghetto. Well the Reserve is filled with gangs and gang violence. Fatherless children, children having children and poor school attendance. Many people have moved off the Reserve in order to escape these social issues but what I see is that living off the Reserve doesn't change their behavior.
Crime in my little town has increased over the years as more people from the Reserve have moved in. The local public school had to start a breakfast program, which didn't exist until the attendance of Native children increased substantially. My garage has been vandalized, neighbors have had things stolen from their yards, vehicles have been taken and driven onto the Reserve etc.
I'm so saddened to find myself right back in the same place that I thought I left. My town was once a good town. It was a safe town. We've even had a couple of murders, which was unheard of before.
I have a son who moved from Calgary to a city North of Edmonton. When he was looking for houses I said to him, make sure you get in a good neighborhood. His response was: dad, there are no ghettos in this town. I was stunned as to how differently he and I think when it comes to judging a potential place to live. Getting away from the ghetto was always my highest goal in life whereas he doesn't think that way.
I understand how many Muslims feel about the radical Muslims who've been allowed into the West. I've read their stories and I've read of how disappointed they are to find themselves right back in the same mess. You and I probably know one of them, Imam who goes by the name, One Godless Woman. She told of seeing her rapist during the time of her residency and how he sexually molested her again here in Canada and how no one would listen to her complaint. The poor woman's life is now ruined.
Yeah, I'm quite aware of the racist / nazi Liberals and NDPers, also. The woke brigade are a problem, but I'm more concerned about the terrorist funders and agitators. There aren't many members of Babbar Khalsa who don't wear turbans, or members of Hamas who don't wear the hijab or some such. Without these in Canada to stir up trouble, the woke would have to look for different fights.
I think 'multiculturalism' is too broad a term for the problem. I have no problem with people coming to Canada and retaining their own religion, language, dress, cuisine, etc. - even living in enclaves of like-minded immigrants. The problem isn't multiculturalism in these respects; it is the rejection of fundamental Canadian / western values like free speech, non-violence, and non-discrimination. The government needs to screen immigrants more carefully, not along cultural lines but along the lines of fundamental values.
I could be wrong. Maybe Justin is right that poetry readings are all that is required to tame the savage heart.
I don't honestly believe that it is correct to blame immigrants for the rejection of western values. The perpetually offended tend to have white skin and speak perfect English.
The perpetually offended and the immigrants are working together to bring down Western society. That was the real goal of mass immigration all along. When people were arguing that immigration was needed in order to make the country, less White, what did you think they had planned?
Making the country less White was never a sound immigration policy and when they were queried about what they mean by less White, they wouldn't just answer the question. They would respond by attacking you for asking it. That is when all the name calling and vitriol would start spewing out of the moths.
Skewing the immigration demographics towards, non-Whites, was deliberate and was a case of clear social engineering. This drive to engage in social engineering has trickled down to staffing in our schools and post secondary institutions, hiring practices, military recruitment etc.
Open immigration and multiculturalism have always been about demographic replacement with the ultimate goal being stuffing the ballot box with a constituency that will vote for the party(ies) that let them in and gave them government benefits that the native population didn't qualify for.
Unfortunately, I am late to political theory, have studied engineering in the 1980s. My parents came from post WW2 Europe in the 1950s. I grew up in Montreal and saw the gradual growth of "diverse" immigrants from many parts of the world, most of whom seemed of decent character and work ethic.
Where we do seem to have gone off the rails is with the sexual revolution. For two generations now (since 1972), Canadian fertility has been below "replacement". The same can be said of every other developed (white) country. That has forced our hand to accept immigration as the only way to grow or maintain the economy.
The resulting issue becomes where will white people immigrate from if the population of all "white countries" is in decline?
I don't just blame immigrants. I also blame those with white skin who have bought into Socialism and the White guilt that is being peddled within Western society.
I do acknowledge that there is a hunger amongst our political and business elite specifically for immigrants who have no Western cultural heritage. And in this case I'm speaking specifically of Muslims. Islam is a political ideology and not a religious one. Islam makes no distinction between politics and religion. The mosques is and extension of the state and the state is an extension of the mosque. The two institutions which are separated in the Western mind are unified in the Muslim mind.